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Full auto-transcript: Promises made, promises kept. The Trump administration said it would release more UFO files, and today it did. We got more than 50 videos, 50 more videos, and dozens of files that were classified until now. The release includes statements from a high level intelligence officer who says he and his crew were speechless after witnessing floating orbs like the one you're seeing on your screen right now. And then there's this, a mysterious object shot down by a US fighter pilot over Lake Huron in Michigan. And then there's this spherical object seen going in and out of the water near a submarine. We're certainly getting to see the footage and documents that the public have longed to see, but some skeptics think the so-called deep state is still hanging on to the good stuff. Joining me now to react is the author of a fascinating new book called Evidence of the Extraordinary, Miguel Sancho. Great to see you, Miguel. Thanks for being here. So, your thoughts on the new release? >> I'm concerned journalist is when there's a huge trove of documents to go through. I mean, it's just candy, right? Um, and I do think there is some actual, you know, interesting evidence that is uh great cause for further investigative endeavor. uh as you mentioned, I think that account from the senior intelligence official from very recently 2025 uh describing these orbs that um formed a T formation that outran a helicopter. Uh the narrative is very compelling and that comes on the heels of obviously um several mysterious drone incursions and other um threats I would say to national security that we've seen at some of our more sensitive air bases including Langley Air Base and most recently Blankenship. So, it's again a nice thing to have to kind of help legitimize this form of inquiry. And it just I again think that the Trump administration deserves some credit for really kind of helping move however incrementally the government's attitude towards this. I mean, I think there's always room to criticize that it's not enough that, you know, we didn't get the pony for Christmas. I get it. Um and and I'm I'm open to that criticism, by the way. I'm hospitable to the to the criticism. It should be heard. But when you compare where we are now to where the government has been for decades, you know, actively encouraging Air Force investigators to dismiss these claims, um shaming and threatening the careers of pilots who've wanted to come forward with this and effectively kind of uh creating something of a dark age as uh it's sometimes referred to in the UFO community that spanned decades in the 80s and '90s when ufology, if you want to call it that, was consigned to nothing but fringe science where we've come a long way there. >> So, you mentioned the national security implications of this uh clearly that is a huge question, but when I watch these objects flying around military aircraft, one of them was shot down, but next to a submarine, it seems to me the government doesn't seem as concerned as maybe they should be. Maybe they're not letting that on. Um there is no real explanation about what these things are. uh what do you think that maybe some of them are specifically the ones that you've seen so far? >> So I was entered these conversations with the proviso that many things can be true at the same time. Some of these can be completely prosaic things like birds or balloons. Some of them can be completely unexplainable and potentially alien craft. Okay, let's not dismiss that. >> Alien just means foreign, right? It doesn't necessarily mean extraterrestrial. >> It could mean it could mean extraterrestrial. I don't want to foreclose on that possibility. Me either. I think Yeah. But I but I do believe that we need to take very seriously the possibility that some of these UAPs, as they're called, are assets of rival militaries that are tickling our air defense systems to see what their capabilities are or conducting reconnaissance or doing a trial run for a possible attack. Uh again, let's just kind of use our common sense here. We know, we read about it and we see about it every day in news nation that drone warfare is the new paradigm. Yes, it is the new kind of modus operandi for asymmetrical warfare. Be it in Ukraine, be it in Iran. It's, you know, Cuba is talking about getting into the game. Maybe they have already. And the US is in the process of trying to catch up with uh the cheap powerful explosive drones and loitering munitions. So, the fact that we're seeing these UAPs that might be something like that specifically around our military assets, uh, it all kind of makes sense that some of these could indeed be Iranian or Russian or Syrian uh, assets of some kind or another or Chinese. Let's not let's not forget about the Chinese. >> Yeah, let's not forget about the Chinese. They certainly are at least trying to engage in this kind of um, effort. Um, one of the the pieces of footage getting a lot of attention is a UAP in Syria. He mentioned US forces of course being surrounded by this stuff. Um, and it's getting a lot of attention because it's moving so fast. I mean, the acceleration on this thing, it's sitting and then all of a sudden it goes faster than you've seen anything before ever move. What do you make of that part of it? So what you're seeing there are what the uh UFO community experts uh talk about as one of the five observables and they include things like uh instantaneous acceleration way beyond anything that our known craft can do. Um unexplicable maneuvers, anti-gravity technology, the lack of any visible propulsion system, and what they call transmedium movement, meaning passing from air into water, things of that nature. Um, and the kind of granddaddy of them all, the Nimits Tic Tac, exhibited many of those uh, properties. We're seeing some of that here, but are we really? This is one of those cases where you have to kind of understand what it is you're looking at a little bit. And remember, >> this video, right, was uploaded by a user. It has been digitally enhanced. We don't know the chain of custody. I'm not saying it has been kind of manipulated for the purposes of fabrication. Yeah. >> Uh, and it definitely merits more study, but I will say this. I did note that uh on the website itself uh the DO website when it's kind of ticking off the timeline it says that at the moment when you see it go off it says the sensor stops tracking the area of contrast causing it to rapidly exit the right side of the frame. >> So it it seems that the DO is kind of telling you a little bit that it might be an effect of the camera rather than the object moving that way. >> Well, I mean I like looking at this stuff. It's very difficult as you said to determine what they are. A lot of these things look the same. It looks like a flying baked potato baked potato a lot of the time. So, I'm hoping for the I'm hoping that we can get some better cameras so we can actually see some more detail of these things and get some more specifics. I think with all the money we spend on defense, we probably could do that. Miguel Sancho, thanks for joining us. Great to see you. >> Always great to see you, Katy. Thanks so much for having me. >> Thank you. And check out his book, Evidence of the Extraordinary. See you soon. The long- awaited release of some of the UFO files has come, but many are now eager for more. More footage, more proof, more answers. Now, of the files released, this one on your screen highly discussed, showing the moments astronauts reported seeing mysterious flashes of light during the Apollo 12 mission to the moon all the way back in 1969. And another mystery, records from the Indo-Pacific Command showing multiple unidentified objects flying in a sort of formation through the skies, separating and coming back together again inexplicably. Though the president says he is committed to providing complete and maximum transparency, many still wondering, do these files definitively prove anything? And does the government know much more than they're really letting on? So what comes next when it comes to these files? to discuss. We are welcoming in renowned theoretical physicist, Harvard professor, head of the Galileo project, Dr. Avi Lobe. It is always so wonderful to see you. Professor Loe, thanks for making the time tonight. >> Thanks for join Thanks for having me. >> And and what out of this release of files is most compelling to you? What do we need to be paying the most attention to? Well, uh this is the first release and I very much hope that we will see more uh interesting intriguing data. Um because the most exciting data with high resolution images is probably taking more time to declassify. Uh all in all, you know, this is important psychologically because it brings the discussion to the mainstream of public discourse and the scientific community. And I salute President Trump for bringing in this transparency. It was also encouraged by the visionary leadership of Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna who is uh requesting 46 videos from the Pentagon. Hopefully they will be released in the next batch within the coming month. Um um there were as you pointed out those images from the moon that showed some blue lights above the horizon and uh those are actually this evening calculated that are very likely due to cosmic rays, energetic particles because we see the same blue points of light also in parts of the film from the Apollo mission that was not behind the lens. So um we see the same phenomenon and it it must be associated with cosmic rays. Uh also the Artemis 2 astronauts took thousands of images of the dark side of the moon and uh all they saw are six flashes from the impact of uh meteoroids on the surface, rocks on the surface, but nothing else, nothing anomalous. So I would argue there is no evidence for UFOs around the moon because we have much better cameras that the U Artemis 2 astronauts were using than 50 years ago during the Apollo mission. Uh with respect to the other images and documents that we see, it's intriguing that all the way back to 1946 47 there were high level officials discussing objects they cannot identify. Um this uh star-like uh object that we see on the screen uh cannot be easily interpreted because there is a lot of information that is reducted in the image. But it could also be um just a result of defraction pattern within the camera. Uh that would be my inclination because the orientation of this star does not change as it moves across the sky. Yeah, that that is a very good point and I want to revisit cosmic rays because professor, you just wrote an article and you posted it a couple hours ago saying that we should not mistake cosmic rays for UFOs. Tell me more about this. What are cosmic rays? Why do they cause uh what appears to be sort of anomalous spots or lights on camera and in video? And do you believe that many of the objects that we're seeing in these videos were actually just cosmic rays? >> Um, no. My statement has to do with the images from the Apollo missions to the moon. And cosmic rays are energetic particles that arrive to us from the Milky Way galaxy that we are embedded in. There is a a sea of these particles moving near the speed of light, very energetic. And the moon has a flux of those particles that is 200 times bigger than we find here on the surface of earth simply because the atmosphere of the earth and the magnetosphere of the earth are are blocking those particles from arriving to the surface of earth. But the moon doesn't have an atmosphere or a magnetosphere. So these are much more common over there and uh they can easily explain the blue uh dots of light that we see in the Apollo images. In fact, Baz Uldren reported about flashes of light within uh the capsule uh as he was traveling towards the moon and uh indeed that those could also be produced by cosmic rays. So there is clear evidence that that's the explanation cuz we see the same blue lights also in parts of the film that was not behind the lens. And so clearly it has nothing to do with the sky that was imaged. It's more to do with particles entering into the the camera and and other phenomena here on Earth were identified as UFOs. And for example, photographic plates from the Palomar Sky Survey uh show transient uh sources of light in them. But those could also be produced by cosmic rays coming in straight perpendicular to the photographic plate. And that's why they're transient. And I did some calculation that illustrates that the numbers are similar. So the claim was that these transient sources back in the 1950s could not have been due to humanmade satellites cuz the Sputnik Sputnik was launched only later. And but on on the other hand, these cosmic rays could be a very good explanation for those points of light. And in fact, you would expect them to anticorrelate with the solar wind. The wind the the sun ejects uh some u plumes of of hot gas every now and then that are called coronal mass ejections and when they cross the earth they actually suppress the cosmic rays and indeed they see these transient points of light in the photographic plates being reduced when there is a lot of activity from the sun. So all in all I would say there is no clear evidence for uh UFOs near the moon or in the 1950s as transient sources in photographic plates. >> Yeah, appreciate that context so much. What about the mystery the records from the Indo-acific command showing multiple unidentified objects flying in in a sort of formation through the skies. We see them separate and and come back together as well. We were looking at this video as we were uh doing the introduction to this segment. What is your take on on that particular video? >> Well, those are very intriguing and I think the people within the Pentagon or the intelligence agencies should be concerned about these potentially being produced by adversarial nations. Um maybe these are drones, balloons, who knows what they are. But the point is some of this material must have been classified because of the inability of members of the Pentagon to interpret them. And that's a matter of national security. That's why it's a serious matter and we need to invest more effort in figuring out what these objects in the sky are. Presumably, there there are also some objects over the United States, but they don't show them to us because it shows the vulnerability of the uh intelligence or the defense system of the US. >> Professor Aloe, always fascinating to speak with you. Thank you so much. >> Thanks for having me. know it's >> you don't know and you don't normally >> Yeah, that's not the place. Oo. Hey. Hey. Ooh. Ooh. 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