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Full auto-transcript: Good day and welcome back to reality check. Now, as you will know, one of the big issues with UAPs is the synchronicity, the connection between UAPs and nuclear facilities, nuclear weapons. It's long been recorded that there are often anomalous objects seen in or around nuclear facilities. Well, around about 65 miles, what's that? About 100 kilometers from Las Vegas, Nevada, there's a location in the Mojave Desert called Area 2. That's also known as the Nevada National Security Site. And the story we're bringing you today about what's been happening there is quite extraordinary. It's based in an area called Yuka Flat. It's very close, very, very close, just 18 miles from the super secret and very mysterious test facility known as Area 51. Now, back in the days when the United States began openair nuclear weapons testing from the early 50s through to 1963, it used to be a thing to watch for the flash of the nuclear blasts from the top of the highest buildings in Las Vegas. It's amazing to think these days that the Vegas Chamber of Commerce promoted atomic tourism by distributing calendars and test bomb schedules with maps of the prime viewing spots. Area 2 was the location for 144 nuclear bomb tests comprising 163 detonations. It's also a special nuclear materials storage area where bomb components are protected by highly trained nuclear security teams, including today's witness. Now, there's been no fullscale nuclear weapons testing, explosive testing at the Nevada test site since 1992, since the US implemented a voluntary moratorum. But there are still subcritical nuclear experiments happening as part of the so-called nuclear weapons stockpile stewardship program to ensure the safety and reliability of the US nuclear weapons stockpile and that doesn't breach the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty. There was in fact an experiment that was scheduled for April this year in a laboratory that sounds like something out of science fiction. It's 1,000 ft underground at this site and it's where they do their critical bomb testing. So this is by necessity a highly secure area. And it's my pleasure today to welcome a gentleman by the name of Joshua Shelton who was entrusted during his military service to provide security at area 2 in the early 2000s. Now, we've talked before on Reality Check about the obvious nexus between UAPs, paranormal phenomenon, and nuclear weapons and facilities. And what Joshua is going to reveal today is quite extraordinary. It's a story that's never been told before. He was present at Area 2 during an alarming series of paranormal UAP events there. I've spoken to him and a range of witnesses, some of whom aren't yet willing to go on the record. But like Joshua, Yoshua's actually testified already to the FBI. And we're indebted to Americans for Safe Aerospace, Ryan Graves, for putting us in touch with Joshua. What has he seen? What have these witnesses seen? There's things like UAP craft incursions of the area 2 facility, orbs, black triangles, discraft overflights, animal mutilations, multiple so-called shadow beings inside the facility that evaded capture. Another one they call the white lady who passed through solid fences. and another possible different entity they call the black mass. Joshua Shelton worked for the 99th Security Support Squadron at Nellis Air Force Base from April 2002 to April 2008. Joshua, welcome to Reality Check. Uh give me an idea, sir, on um what your job entailed. What was your role in nuclear security? Well, uh, thanks for having me, uh, Ross. Um, to talk about what I used to do, I began certified as a security forces patrolman. So, that's your basic just, uh, out in the field guarding the, um, the bunkers and stuff. Then I got my certification for entry control duties to run the entry control. And then eventually, uh, I was a central security controller, which basically oversees security operations for the entire installation. Um, I did that for about two years. I was involved in two NSIS, which is where the DoD sends the inspector general out to inspect the facility. Um, it's a very high stress position. It's one of the few positions where it's a failure for the entire facility if you mess up. Um, >> now one of the requirements for anyone that works with nuclear materials is you have to go through this rigorous assessment which requires you to do what's called the PRP. Can you explain that to me please? >> So the personal reliability program the goal is to get people to work with sensitive materials who are um most trustworthy, the best qualified. Um basically you have to have a pretty clean record and you have to report anything that happens like you can't get hypnotized. So we we were outside Las Vegas. You can't go to a show and be hypnotized. Um, I remember I had kidney stone actually once and uh I feel sorry for the civilian ambulance but they had to take me to the military hospital and then when they got there they got grilled by uh I think it was um OSI they were because they had given me painkillers and so they were making sure like well what did he talk about? Did he say anything about where he works at and stuff and uh I remember seeing them getting grilled as I was getting wheeled into the emergency rooms. feel kind of bad for them >> because you know I mean essentially as part of that PRP you're required um to essentially be mentally assessed. You have to be a reliable, stable, psychologically normal human being. >> Yeah, it's a it's a big responsibility. You're talking about the most destructive weapons man has ever created. So, it's they they definitely do a thorough job of screening and then keep tabs on you, make sure that you maintain that PRB status, and if you get sick, you'll lose that PRB status for as long as you're sick and then you get it back again. >> To your knowledge, were nuclear weapons stored at the facility where you were patrolling? >> Yes. Yes, absolutely. We uh numerous times we had to stand down on live nukes as they were being maintenance, served, or just moved in and out of the facility. What's it like being up close to something like a thermonuclear bomb? I mean, I can't imagine anything more frightening, frankly, the idea of being next to something that can literally bring an end to civilization. >> It's it's all inspiring at first and then eventually becomes just part of the job. Um, I'm reminded of that scene in U Doctor Strange Love where he rides the bomb down after he gets dropped from the bomber. Uh, I can't say if I replicated that or not, but yeah, it's a it's an interesting experience, that's for sure. >> But basically, your role, you you you're essentially in the military, but your role was to provide security and if necessary, use lethal force to protect those nuclear weapons from any incursions. >> Correct. And we were very clear about that. the um the entire perimeter was reigned with signing saying lethal force is authorized past this point and um should anyone actually break in. We were more concerned with neutralizing a potential threat than sort of interrogating like what is the threat or not. Like we don't play around when it comes to nuclear weapons. >> Now crucially there's no way that somebody could inadvertently stray. You wouldn't get a hiker or um a tourist inadvertently stumbling across this site. There's absolutely no doubt that there is fencing around. Give me an idea of the level of security around this facility. >> So, we had um a triple layer fence line system and um back in the day the middle fence used to be electrified, but I guess they didn't do that by the time that I started working there. Um, I would say it is possible for people to stumble into it up to a certain degree because we were kind of hidden from sight by a pair of bluffs and then a mountain on one side. So, we did get individuals very occasion. I remember a group of teenagers that I scared the daylights out of one time when I was on an exterior patrol. But you once you get sight of where you're headed, it's extremely obvious what's out there. And most of the locals who would go off-roading or whatever, they would know and they would know better than to come close. Um, we had exterior patrols specifically to make sure nobody got too close and then everybody else was on the inside. >> So before you were assigned to this facility, had you heard stories during your training, was there anything said to you when you arrived that there was anomalous activity? So, when I first got to Nellis, uh, waiting to find out where I was going to be assigned, um, people that go to work main base and then people go to work area 2, they kind of hang out together for a bit. And, uh, once I found out I was going to Area 2, there was definitely people talking, more the main base people were talking about, stories they had heard about area 2. Um, not many of those stories made it to main base, but there was enough that people knew like, oh, you're going somewhere strange. >> And what did they mean by that? >> Everyone had a different story, but there was a sort of uh there was a there was an awareness that the place was just prone for strange things happening. Um, people would talk about like uh you mentioned the the white lady was uh allegedly a ghost that people uh would see up there, but there would be other things like lights in the sky, uh lights near the facility. It was just it had a reputation of just being a strange place, which talking to people that worked with nukes after I got out, it it seems like that that's true for every facility that has nuclear weapons or nuclear materials. >> Yeah, it's interesting. my friend Bob Hastings, Robert Hastings, who wrote this excellent book, UFOs and Nukes. I mean, he's done an assessment interviews with pretty much anyone who worked at every nuclear site in America. And indeed, he's talked to people overseas as well. And he says it's a very, very common feature. You'd be hardressed to find any nuclear facility, particularly nuclear weapons facilities, where there haven't been, how does one say this politely, anomalous incidents. So, so take me to October 2002. You're assigned to this facility where there are nuclear weapons stored in bunkers. Your job is to use lethal force if necessary to protect. What did you witness? There was a particular incident that took place pretty soon after you arrived in October 2002. >> So, um, ironically enough, it was actually my very first night. Um, when you first get on flight, you're not certified to be out on patrol yet. They're still finishing up a little bit of your PRP status. So, usually you sit at the security control center and then you study for your upcoming certification. Um, so me and two other uh guys were waiting for kind of studying, waiting for our PRP status and sometime later in the night because I worked night shift um one of the security supervisors came in and said, "Hey, I'm going to give you guys a tour of the facility." So cool. We went outside, loaded up in his humvey. He took us out, showed us around, and then uh there was an uh alarm call for the perimeter. Um the perimeter split up into MSC's called marker sensor zones and there was a uh alarm call to an MSC where we could drive to and get a nice line of sight to. So the security supervisor was like, "Oh, this is perfect. You guys will get to see how we respond to alarms and how you do a walk through and all this." So um we drove up to the top of this um this hill where we could oversee a significant amount of the u of the fence line. And as soon as we got out of the truck, it was obvious that or the Humvey, it was obvious that something was strange was going on on the fence. I remember um looking over to the fence line and at the specific MSZ that the alarm had been called on, there was a bright white light that was hovering uh right over the third fence line. So, the innermost fence line and it appeared from our point of view to be just right over the top um right on the top of the fence. There's a a sensor that runs along the top and it appeared to be right on top of that. Um I can't really describe any physicalities to it because the light was so bright. >> That's I've wrestled with that. Um, I mean, you couldn't see through it, but what was very anomalous about it was that it wasn't really illuminating the desert around it the way that you would expect a light to be doing. It was almost like it was self-contained. Um, >> so it was self-illuminating from within. >> Yeah. And yet somehow it was able to control the light it was giving out so that it didn't illuminate the desert around it the way you would expect such a bright light to do. How big was it, Joshua? >> So, I I was pretty far away when I when I saw it that night, but I mean, I walked that fence line for six years, so I grew very intimate with a fence line. Um, knowing the fence line, as intimate as I do, and the dimensions of it, I would say it was about the size of like an oversized beach ball, like the type you might take to the beach. >> So, so a relatively small sphere, maybe what, a foot or so across, >> I would say. larger. Maybe about 3 ft across. >> Oh, wow. Okay. Right. >> About 3 ft. >> And it was what you saw was a white color or was it a different color? >> It was, if I remember right, it was a whitish color. Um, that's the color that's kind of stuck in my head is this whitish color. And uh what was peculiar about what it did was as soon as Whiskey 8 seemed to the responding patrol as they're driving up along the perimeter, it was almost like it was monitoring our radios because as soon as Whiskey 8 called it in, it started matching the vehicle speed to maintain uh an exact distance between itself and the vehicle. >> So you're quite confident it's intelligently controlled. It's not a balloon that's bumped up against the fence. This This is an object that's being intelligently controlled. >> Absolutely. It had intent. Uh it was not flying with the wind and it it specifically chose to follow the fence line almost if it was riding it on rails until it got to a certain point and then it made a choice to go in a different direction. >> Is there any noise >> from where I would have been? If there was a noise, unless it was really loud, I wouldn't have heard it. Um, I did talk to one of the patrol members afterwards, but we didn't really know each other back then. Um, I didn't get anything from him about a noise or anything. >> What did he say he saw? >> He said the same thing that when they when they were driving up, they suddenly realized that there was this ball of light sitting up on the fence line. And um, at first they were going to stop and get off on foot and do a normal sweep. But as they were approaching, the ball started moving so they just followed it on the vehicle. It ended up being um Sorry. Go ahead. >> No, I was just going to say by any measure that in and of itself is gravely serious in a place where nuclear weapons are stored, isn't it? I mean, how what was the response like inside the facility when it became clear that there'd been this unauthorized incursion? So the initial response was very serious. It wasn't just the responding patrol. Uh the alert fire team was mobilized and ended up chasing along with the patrol. Then uh we had a support patrol armed with a machine gun who also responded. So it ended up to be three vehicles for a total of eight people that were physically chasing this object. Um, they chased it down the fence line for about a mile and a half till it got to a place that we call Culvert 10. And this is where I know that it it can't have been anything natural or anything like that because the entire time it was like it was riding the fence line as if on a rail, but here the fence turned and curved to the right and the object instead took a hard turn to the left and went out into the desert. >> Um, did you get your impression? Was this a surprise to the people there? Had people seen this kind of object before among the teams that had been working there before you arrived? >> So I talked to over time I talked to some of the people involved cuz you know it was my first night so I didn't know them then. Some people had seen stuff. This was the most blatant thing a lot of people had seen. Some of the old-timers had seen other more blatant things. But this this this wasn't exactly unexpected or too abnormal for the night shift. It seemed like the night shift was the one that would see things like this more often. >> Were reports filed? Were you Were you asked to make a statement? Was there any kind of interview that was done with you about what you'd seen? What what kind of response happened after the fact? >> So, for this incident, I was not asked to write a statement or anything. Um, as far as I can remember, I because I was so new and I wasn't really part of flight yet. I'm just not fully aware of what really happened as far as uh leadership. Um I do know that historically there's a disturbing lack of um response to things that happened that you would think would merit a larger response. Uh I'm sure some of the stuff we'll talk about later. I was frankly my mind was blown that we didn't have I don't know somebody from DoD there trying to figure out what happened and why it happened. >> Yeah. Yeah, it makes you wonder. I mean, when we hear some of your other stories about what went on there, it does make you wonder if they knew more about these objects than they're letting on. Let's move on. There was another incident where a large discshaped craft crashed after silently overflying the storage depot complex. Tell me that story. So, this one um this one's a little disturbing for me because somehow I completely forgot about this incident and I don't know how I could have forgotten because it was so ob it was right over my head and when we talked you put me or you got in contact with Robert Hastings who I had originally talked to uh shortly after I had separated. Um so I can't explain how I could have forgotten about this but as soon as you showed me what I had told Mr. Hastings. I I remember the incident. Um I was on the uh the alert fire team which was uh stationed at the alternate uh security control center and we were outside. A few of the guys smoked so we were outside with them kind of joking and just hanging out. One of the other patrols was there. It was a total of six people outside. And I remember that the guy that I'm facing, we're talking, joking about something, and he kind of looks up above my head, and his eyes just go wide. And as soon as that happens, I kind of turn my head to look over my shoulder. And as I'm turning my head, I see this reddish glow that kind of approaches on the ground. And uh I crank my head up just in time to spot this it. I mean, I hate to say, but it was a classic flying discshaped object. Um, I don't think that it was physically on fire. It was almost like this almost like magma type glow was wrapped around the front of it and that was that was what was illuminating the ground underneath it. But it was flying maybe two to 300 feet above our heads, very low. And as it approached and came over us, it actually deadened sound wherever it moved. Uh like the the natural sounds of like the building right next to us, uh the desert, other patrols in the distance, they got very faint. Uh almost like when you stick your head underwater and as soon as >> Is there any noise from the object at all? Do you hear anything like a propeller or a jet or a turbine? >> Nothing. Nothing like that. um a little bit of a hum, but I I don't like I I I don't know if it was the the object creating the hum or maybe it's interaction with the atmosphere. Now, let's not beat around the bush here. This is a craft, a solid physical craft of sometime, some kind, breaching the airspace over what is probably one of the most sensitive facilities in the United States. if not the world. This is where thermonuclear weapons are stored. Describe what happens. >> So, the object came right overhead and you could tell it was losing altitude because it was dipping down lower as it came uh and passed over us. As soon as it was clear of us, that's when sound returned and you could hear everything normal. We immediately got on the radios. By the time we got the first radio call out, the object had cleared the perimeter fence line and it seemed to go behind uh this area that we called the bluffs, which is what kind of blocked us from view from the rest of the desert. And once it went down behind the bluffs, there was a massive flash of like orang-ish reddish light. And it was so big that all of us kind of braced ourselves because we we honestly thought whatever this thing is, it's just crashed and like it's such a huge explosion. We're going to get knocked off our feet. >> How big was the object? >> I'm a little hesitant because at night time and you don't have a good reference. I estimated it was 2 to 300 feet above our heads. If that estimate is right, and I'm fairly confident that I'm right about that, I would say it's about 45 to 50 feet across. So, it was it was a good size object. It wasn't it wasn't a drone. It wasn't >> um It was very large. I've been next to military. >> Could it have been an aircraft of some type? Maybe a blimp or a you know, is there any kind of known prototype or craft that you can think of that might plausibly explain the shape that you saw? So it was definitely not a conventional aircraft. It had no wings. It was a perfect discshaped object. >> Any windows, lights? >> We only saw the underside and the underside was perfectly smooth. Uh there was no I mean it did go by pretty fast, but there was no obvious markings, no obvious signs of >> Did it have a metallic sheen to it, or was it of unknown construction? Did you see did it look constructed? >> It definitely looked like it was something that was built and you the whatever this reddish glow at the front of it was it it consumed about a quarter of the craft or the object and it was reflecting off the bottom. So that's why I know that even though it was dark, that's why I know that it definitely had a sheen to it of some sort. Like it was able to reflect that light from this glow. >> And so you you hear this massive explosion. Was there a concussion? Was there a physical force from the blast? >> So, that's the thing. We didn't hear an explosion. We saw as soon as it went under the behind the bluffs. And again, it was definitely on a downward trajectory. We saw the bright flash of that orang-ish light. There was no sound. And we expected, we braced ourselves. There was no sound. There was no concussive force. There was nothing that you would expect. But we all I mean we kind of felt stupid because we suddenly like you do this dumb pose where you talk down um nothing no sound no force absolutely. >> So what's what's the response to something like that? Clearly something has breached the airspace over an incredibly sensitive facility. You've obviously got to go and investigate. >> Yeah. So, um I know on the central security controller side, one of the first things that he would have done would have been to contact main base, to contact um the uh air traffic control tower. Um so I know that they would have done that. I don't know the results of that from that night. But as far as uh us out on patrol, we immediately went mobile. Uh anytime there's like a major a significant security incident, but no specific threat, everyone goes mobile. Everyone's uh in their vehicles fully kitted up, ready for something to happen. Uh the exterior patrols, Oscar 1, Oscar 2, they were dispatched out to go to the bluffs because we expected an object to be crashed there. Um we fully expected to find like hurt people, uh something. So they immediately went out there to start looking for this object and they found nothing. There was nothing out there. Now granted, we were limited in how far we were allowed to go from the perimeter to like maybe 3 to 400 meters. Um, but I I I I just find it incredible to think that there was no wreckage, so there was no nothing no signs of this accident. >> Now, one of the uh things that you guys carry are night vision goggles and thermals. Did anybody use thermals on the site where this object had allegedly impacted with the ground or had been in the area to see whether there was any residual heat? I don't know if the exterior patrols had the thermals at the time. I'm not 100% sure, but they definitely carried night vision and they would have used the night vision for sure. Um, >> could it have been a meteor? I mean, could what you have seen have been a straightforward meteor? I mean, you say it flew overhead. It was reddish orange. Is a meteor a possible explanation? >> I've thought about that. And the thing is this object was moving fast but not that fast. It it was it would have been moving about the speed of like a blackhawk. I've been overflown by blackhawks. I've flown in helicopters. It was moving about the speed of a blackhawk. And meteors they move at terminal velocity. They they can't control their speed. And for what it's worth, my friend and colleague Robert Hastings has checked to see if there were any reports of bolide meteors or in that area uh indeed in in any state adjacent at that time and there weren't there were no such objects. So in the fall of 2004, another incident took place. You were patrolling outside a storage depot. Your patrol was called Oscar 1 and you were patrolling the desert and there were bluffs to the north of the storage area that you used for overwatch because they were high and you could look down from them and keep an eye on the site. What did you see one night? I'm not uh I'm not a fan of this this story. Um so those bluffs actually is where that object went behind when it went apparently when it went down when it crashed. Um I remember that that night um we had an interior patrol call over the radio and say that they thought there was a truck on the eastern perimeter kind of up on the mountain side. They they thought that that's that they were seeing a truck up there. So we responded. We went up to on top of the bluff so we get a good line of sight to the desert and to the mountain side. And I pulled out my night vision and I saw these two lights. They they were right next to each other moving together. And through the night vision you could see them. You could see them dip and illuminate the ground and come back up exactly the way truck headlights would do. So we were pretty confident. Okay, this is a truck. Now, we would very occasionally have civil off-roaders that would go off-roading. They would get lost. Um, some people knew we were out there and they would try to be look and see if they could like get a peak of something. Um, >> so it wasn't >> it wasn't crazy that there was a truck up there. >> Um, >> and so this area is outside of the actual facility, but it overlooks the facility. Is that right? Yeah, it's it's well outside of the actual fenced off facility. Um, so we we keep an eye on it and there is an invisible line where okay, if the vehicle gets to this line, that's where we're going to need to move to intercept and turn them around. Um, as these lights get to that sort of invisible line, they suddenly go off. They blink off. And uh that immediately kind of put me on edge because that told me, okay, these aren't lost off-roaders. Um this is somebody with intent. This is somebody that knows we're out here and that knows roughly how close they can get before we're going to respond. So, um unfortunately, the lights were far enough away that with the night vision, I couldn't see a physical truck. It was only because of the night vision and the bobbing of the lights that I was confident it was a truck. So, I could never confirm there was a truck there. Um, once the lights went off, we figured, okay, they're going to go on foot and they're going to try to approach the perimeter. So, me and my partner redeployed to about 300 meters away from the fence line in the direction that they would have to come through. um a main base K-9 patrol was up here with us cuz he was uh exercising his dog and he heard about the radio call. So he offered to kind of bring the dog and help us out which was perfect. So myself, my partner, the handler, and then his canine, we all went out about 300 meters from the perimeter. We got down into this dried up riverbed and we waited. Um the desert is flat here. There's no cover. There's no concealment. and then it curves up to the mountain side. So there it's physically impossible for anyone to get past us and get to the perimeter. So we wait I want to say maybe 5 to 10 minutes before we get a radio call from one of the patrols on the inside. Now, uh, Security One, our security supervisor, what he had done was he took all the patrols whose AOS were up against that edge of the fence line, and he had them go up on top of their structures at the end of their streets, so they could kind of give us a bit of overwatch and kind of help us out and and look out and see if they see anything before we do. Um, those patrols knew where we were roughly because I had shown my Pack 4 laser towards them, and you can see it on the night vision. So, they didn't have eyes on us, but they knew roughly where we were situated. Um, so we get a radio call from one of the patrols that's providing overwatch from the interior, and they say, "Hey, Oscar 1B advice, you've got a light at your 12:00." And they described this kind of bright light. They couldn't really tell if it was up in the air or on the ground because they just didn't have a good point of view for that. Um, so if it was up in the air, it would have been very low. definitely wouldn't have been high up in the air. Um, we looked I mean 12 o'clock right in front of you. We look and we can't see anything. Um, like I said, flat desert, no cover, no concealment. We've got night vision, a lighter 800 meters away, you're going to see a lighter with that night vision. Um, we see nothing. We look to the dog whose job is to indicate. The dog's not indicating. So, the dog's not getting anything either. Um, so we sit and we wait and we listen. You use your ears more than your eyes when you're in the desert at night. And a few minutes after that, another patrol comes on the radio and says, "Hey, Oscar one, be advised. Now you've got a light." It was either our three or our 9:00. So either our left or our right. And uh, this was alarming because it feels like we're getting hemmed in now basically. And we look, can't see anything, can't hear anything. The dog's not indicating. Same situation. No cover, no concealment. Impossible for anyone to be hiding, let alone a bright light. I actually called my uh security one, my security supervisor, and I asked them to switch to a clear talk channel because I kind of wanted to know what they were actually seeing. And when we swapped channels, I I straight up asked him was like, "Hey, are you guys messing with us? Like, are you guys screwing with us?" and he tells me, "No, I've got eyes on it. I can see you got to light your 12, you got to light your three. Like, this is real." So, um, within maybe a minute or two of swapping back to the normal radio channel, a third patrol calls over the radio and they sound pretty alarmed and they say, "Hey, you have a light at your it's either nine or three, depending on which one the first one was." And that meant we basically we were almost completely hemmed in by these lights. Um, which felt very threatening to us. Um, >> and they're not at this stage. They're not inside the facility, but they're getting dangerously close to the fence line. >> No, they were whatever these lights were, they were interested in us. They were not interested in the facility because we were about a good 300 meters away from the fence line and the from the outermost fence line. We were out in the desert. So finally, what do you see, Joshua? >> Nothing. We see nothing. We hear nothing. The dog is not indicating. And within 30 to 40 seconds of that last light being called in, one of the original patrols calls over the radio and they're very alarmed and they shout. They're shout. I can remember them shouting, "The lights are rushing you." So when I talked to people afterwards from their point of view, they all agreed with this. These three lights showed up, one in front, one to the right, one to the left of us. And then as if on Q, all three lights rushed exactly to our position where we were at from our point of view. We didn't hear anything. We didn't see anything. The dog never once indicated it was it showed no signs of stress or anything. What I have difficulty explaining is what happened right at that moment because the radio was going constantly. We were getting constant radio chatter and uh at this point I was very experienced. I've been out there for a few years. Uh I had been onseen commanders for exercises and onseene and real world events. I understood that you live and die by your radio when you're in a tactical situation. Um, I can't explain why I didn't notice that our we weren't getting transmissions over the radio anymore. Um, let me explain our point of view first and why this is so anomalous. So, from our point of view, we get that call that these lights are rushing our position. I look to my alpha and I tell him, "Put a round in the chamber because whatever this is, this is hostile." I tell him, "Put a round in the chamber. Put a grenade and a grenade launcher. This is serious." Uh K9 follows suit. I'm watching 12. My alpha is watching uh three. And then K9's watching a nine. We sit for I want to say a good 10 minutes in silence waiting for something to happen, for any for us to hear anything. And absolutely nothing happens. And after 10 minutes, that's when I finally get the idea that I should contact the patrols on the inside and see what they see. And maybe to civilians, it won't make as much sense, but I know to any veteran uh this may this is immediately uh anomalous because you, like I said, in a tactical situation, you live and die by that radio. And if you can't see the threat, you're in constant communication with the people that can't. Do you think that something Do you think something was manipulating your mind? >> I I don't know. I can't I can't speak to that. >> Is that your Is that your Is that your suspicion that that the way that you didn't think about using your radio or noticed that the radio wasn't working? That is anomorous, isn't it? >> It is. And as much as I don't have any evidence for it other than what I experienced, I have to say that yes, something very much influenced the the three of us to not think about to it. It it was almost like I mean we didn't even realize that we weren't getting radio transmissions anymore even though right before that there were constant radio transmissions so we didn't even realize our radios weren't working. We weren't hearing the radios and my I carried my radio right here next to my ear. It's impossible I wouldn't have heard it. Um, I just I can't explain why I sat there for 10 minutes as a seasoned onseene commander already to numerous incidents and did not think once to call the other patrols on the inside. Um, there's another incident and this time it involved apparent entities, beings, humanoid shaped beings. Tell me about that. um to to kind of put a um I guess a finisher on on the previous incident, I did want to say that uh we did find out that we basically had lost about 20 minutes 20 to 30 minutes of time. >> We um >> And did it feel like that long length of time? >> No. No. And and that was basically after we were there for 10 minutes, uh I tried the radio. I tried a radio check when I realized, wait, no, nothing's transmitting. We couldn't get through on the radios. So, I made the call. Let's go back to the perimeter and make visual contact with the patrols on the inside thinking our radios were fried or something. When we got it was almost like we crossed uh a line, an invisible line. And as soon as you crossed this line, all three of our radios started transmitting again. We started hearing people on the inside transmitting. >> And were they freaking out that you weren't responding? >> Yes, they everyone was looking for us. And and that's that's also what I can't explain because it was we were in a kind of from their point of view, our original position was kind of hidden to where they couldn't really see us. They knew where we were at, but once we left that position, it was flat desert. There's there's just no feasible way that patrols using night vision with high ground wouldn't have seen us walking. And nobody spotted us until we got close to where we had stopped our vehicles at. That's when patrols spotted us, which was about the same time that the radio started working. >> Um I was told by my >> So so basically they couldn't even get visuals on you at a time when you really should have been able to be seen. It it should have been clear as day that we were walking back to the perimeter. They should have seen this long before, especially with night vision. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. >> Wow. So, this presumably was reported through your command hierarchy. So, I was told to immediately in process to speak to uh Security One, our uh flight chief. And uh I wrote a statement about what happened and he he actually as soon as I walked in, he was like, "Where the where are you guys?" He was pretty livid. Um, and I I was confused because I thought only like 10 minutes had passed and then he showed me, not only did he show me on the clock, but he showed me on the the security blotter that like it had been I if it was it was either 20 or 30 minutes more than the 10 minutes that I thought had passed. Um, I don't know what happened after that. And this is one of those things that is kind of like, okay, shouldn't this merit some sort of response from higher up? But as far as I'm aware, I I don't know. I I Nothing. >> So, they took a statement from you and nothing changed. Nothing happened. >> No. And it wasn't like anyone came to get a statement from me. I just wrote a statement for uh our flight chief and then he would have submitted it to leadership and that's it. >> Wow. Okay, now let's go to get where things start getting very interesting. Let's talk about the shadow beings. So there there's the main incident that I know you want to discuss, but there was a history of of people spotting these shadowy figures. Um, we spotted one early on to when I was first out there. Um, I actually shown a spotlight on it because we thought it was our flight chief watching us carry out an exercise and uh I shown a spotlight on it to identify him and when I did it just disappeared as soon as the light hit him and I've I mean there was 16 of us that saw that happen. >> How do you know it was there? So that specific time um we were carrying out an assault and recapture exercise at the maintenance plants where they would do maintenance on the weapons and our flight chief usually would go out into the desert and kind of get on a bit of high ground so he could oversee everything and see how we were handling the situation. He called exercise terminate and then once he did, we basically fell into formation in front of the the maintenance plants. And right in front of us is a row of uh four buildings that were used way back in the day. Um when I was there, they were only used for storage. And one of the buildings on the far right used to be an old chow hall. And there was a ladder that you could take to climb up on top of it. So, as we're sitting there waiting, we spot this figure pacing back and forth on the top of the old chow hall. And we >> these are these are they're uh half like a 44gallon drum. They're like